Topical Finasteride gel VS tablet Finasteride

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Ερευνα του 2009 λεει οτι φιναστεριδη σε μορφη gel 1% εχει τα ιδια αποτελεσματα με φιναστεριδη σε happy:)

Comparing the therapeutic effects of finasteride gel and tablet in treatment of the androgenetic alopecia

Zohreh Hajheydari1, Jafar Akbari2, Majid Saeedi2, Leila Shokoohi1
1 Department of Dermatology, Boo Ali Sina (Avicenna) Hospital, Mazandaran University of Medical Sciences, Sari, Iran
2 Department of Pharmaceutics, Faculty of Pharmacy, Mazandaran University of Medical Sciences, Sari, Iran
Abstract

Background: Finasteride, a type P-selective 5a-reductase inhibitor, as a causative agent of decreasing dihydroxy testestrone (DHT) level, is effective in the treatment of male androgenic alopecia. Aim: We compared the local and oral finasteride in the treatment of androgenic alopecia. Method: This is a double blind, randomized clinical trial study of 45 male patients, who were referred with alopecia to the private clinics and departments in Boo-Ali Sina Hospital, in Sari. Patients with male androgenic alopecia were selected according to the history and physical examinations. The patients were randomly divided into two: topical finasteride (A) and oral finasteride (B) groups. Topical finasteride group (A) received a topical gel of 1% finasteride and placebo tablets, while the oral finasteride group (B) received finasteride tablets (1 mg) and gel base (without drug) as placebo for 6 months. The patients were followed by clinical observation and recording of side effects prior to the treatment and at the end of first week, and then by a monthly follow-up. The size of bald area, total hair count, and terminal hair were studied. Data were analyzed by descriptive and Chi-square statistical test. Results: The mean duration of hair loss was 18.8±23.10 months. Each month the terminal hair, size of bald area and hair count between the two groups were compared. There were no significant differences between the two groups as a viewpoint of hair thickness, hair counts and the size of bald area. Serial measurements indicated a significant increase in hair counts and terminal hair counts between the two groups. Conclusions: The results of this study showed that the therapeutic effects of both finasteride gel and finasteride tablet were relatively similar to each other.


Introduction
Loss of hair and alopecia are the most common problems of modern societies, which create many economical and psychological effects. Recently, a great effort has been made to treat hair loss and alopecia, in which some of them were successful. One of the most common types of alopecia is baldness or androgenetic alopecia. This kind of alopecia is recognized by progressive narrowing of hair in the vertex and fronto- temporal area of scalp, in persons with genetic potency. The alopecia is hereditary in nature and is formed due to the high testosterone receptors in scalps of involved persons. Dihydroxy testosterone is an active form of testosterone that is produced by enzyme type II, 5-a reductase from testosterone. [1] Testosterone affects hair follicle, resulting in hair shaft thinning, shortening of anagen phase and prolongation of telogen phase.[2] The most recommended treatment for androgenic alopecia is composed of local minoxidil, hormonal therapy such as local and oral anti- androgen or local progesterone containing products. [3],[4],[5],[6],[7],[8] Finasteride is an effective drug for treatment of male alopecia that can be used orally or locally. The drug decreases loss of hair by inhibiting 5-α reductase enzyme activity, which converts testosterone to its active form, namely di-hydrotestosterone which is the main cause of male pattern hair loss. [9],[10],[11],[12] Topical finasteride 0.005% is used to treat male alopecia. [10] Since, long-term drug therapy by finasteride is needed for treatment of male alopecia; its oral route is associated by complications such as decreased libido, erectile dysfunction, and decrease volume of ejaculation, depression and gynecomastia . [8],[13] In this research, during a controlled study, we attempted to compare the effect of local finasteride gel on scalp, its target and to measure fewer complications with the oral type of finasteride, in treatment of androgenic alopecia in men. If topical form is effective, it will prevent the undesirable side effects of systemic form of drug. In addition, it will be a suitable treatment for this social problem, especially in adolescence and young age groups in which hair protection, as a cosmetic, is important for



Methods
This is a double blind clinical trial study. The number of samples (according to previous studies) was 45 young adult men . [3],[9] They were selected among patients referred to private clinics and Dermatology department in the City of Sari, during July 2003 to February of 2005. All of the subjects were having androgenetic alopecia, according to their history and clinical examination. They were placed in the study after they wrote the letter of agreement and satisfaction.

Inclusion criteria were as follows: males under 30 years of age, hair loss duration less than 5 years; maximum hair density 20 hairs/cm²; maximum diameter of the bald area less than 10 cm; and having complete physical and psychological health. Exclusion criteria were patients with male alopecia that were under treated, and patients with baseline disease that causes hair loss.

Method of finasteride gel preparation
Since the water solubility of Finesteride gel is very low, thus, at the beginning of work, solubility had to be increased. For this reason, solvent-aid was used. The solvents-aid is water mixable organic solvents, in which by decreasing solubility, and with surface tension of water, will cause increase water solubility of non-polar materials. An adequate amount of ethanol to increase solubility was determined by several examinations and by setting the drug solubility in different percentages of water-ethanol. After setting and preparing the suitable solvent to solve finasteride, several examinations to select the best polymer were done by different materials. For this reason, first the selected polymer was poured on a glass surface, containing an adequate drug solving system, and was maintained in lab temperature for 24 hours. Then, the receiving system was mixed by an electric mixer by velocity of 600 cycles per minute, until it was completely pure. The results showed that 40% water and 60% ethanol are the best solvent system, and hydroxyl propyl methyl cellulose (HPMC) is the best polymer. Preparation of this drug did not need a preservative. Physical stability of the drug as a viewpoint of deposition or opacity in 4°C in refrigerator was evaluated. Since the time frame between drug production and consumption was about one week, there was no need for chemical assessment. In addition, the placebo gel without drug was prepared by the same system. Because, finasteride 1% has the most dermal absorption, therefore, in this study finasteride gel 1% was prepared and used.

Method
A two-part questionnaire was prepared. The first part was related to the demographic characteristics, and the second part was related to record the information about hair loss (size of bald area, number of terminal hair, and vellus hair).

The patients entered the study based on inclusion criteria, and divided in two groups randomly; Group A (Finasteride gel and placebo tablet), and group B (Finasteride tablet and placebo gel). Finasteride tablet and gel, as well as placebo tablet and gel in the same size, shape and color were made by pharmaceutics faculty of Mazandaran Medical Center, and were given to the researchers by a code, which was kept secretive until the end of this study.

Therapeutic method

Patients in two groups received one tablet daily (Finasteride or placebo), associated with local gel (placebo or finasteride). The patients were advised to use the gel twice daily by gently massaging their scalps. Duration of treatment was six months. To evaluate the drug effectiveness, prognosis and side effect, patients visited before the study and the end of first week of treatment, and then followed-up monthly. To assess therapeutic response, the shoblons already made by size of 10 cm² was used . Then the shoblons were placed on the defect and at least 3 squares, selected randomly, and the size of bald area, the number of total hair counts and the number of terminal hair were counted by naked eye. The mean was calculated, and finally, the result number was recorded in the form.

Using variables for therapeutic response were categorized as size of bald area; the total hair count; and the terminal hair count. To evaluate the total response to treatment, the following descriptions was defined: the size of bald area per cm (8.1-9.5 cm : point 1, 6.6-8 cm : point 2, 5.1-6.5 cm : point 3, 3.5-5 cm : point 4); the total hair count(100-124 : point 1, 125-149: point 2, 150-174 : point 3, 175-200 : point 4), and the number of terminal hair (65-89 : point 1, 90-114 : point 2 , 115-139 : point 3, 140-165 : point 4). The resulting scores were summarized: the score 3-6 was considered as bad response, the score 7-9 moderate response, and the score 10-12 good response to the treatment. [14] Finally, the analysis was done by descriptive and Chi-square statistical approach.


Results
Of the 45 androgenetic alopecia patients who were enrolled, 7 were excluded from the study due to incomplete or discontinuation of the entire study period. The patient's age range was 22.8±3.3 years. The average time of hair loss in patients, were 23.10 ±18.8 months. Seven (18.4%) were married and 31(81.6%) were single. Among referred patients, 31(81.6%) had a positive family history of male alopecia and in 7(18.4%), it was negative. Nineteen patients entered in group A, while 19 in group B randomly.

The average total hair count, terminal hair count and the size of bald area in both groups in the beginning and end of treatment respectively are shown in [table 1].

There were no significant statistical differences in the terminal hairs, size of alopecia area and hair count between two groups.

In A group (Finasteride gel and placebo tablet), increased terminal hair count were observed at the third month of treatment ( P =0.001), but increased in terminal hair count was shown in the second months in the B group (Finasteride tablet and placebo gel) ( P =0.015). During therapeutic period, the size of alopecia area was not significantly altered in group A, but in group B, the change in size of alopecia area was significant in the fourth month of treatment ( P =0.027). Increased hair count in two groups were significant in 4 months of treatment ( P =0.001, in group A and P =0.000 in group B). Therapeutic response during therapeutic period in both A and B groups was evaluated by scoring system which shown in [table 2].

Only one of the patients complained the erythema in affected site as a complication of using local finasteride gel that was subsided immediately after discontinuation of the gel. One of the finasteride tablet user described the decreasing libido.


Discussion
The results of this study revealed the moderate therapeutic response, but not a good response, in both groups. Comparing finasteride gel 1%, with finasteride tablet (54.5% versus 56%) showed the relatively similar therapeutic response, that was not statistically significant ( P =0.643). 5a-reductase enzyme causes testosterone convertion to di-hydrotestosterone. The therapeutic effect of the enzyme inhibitors on androgenetic alopecia such as finasteride by dose of 1mg orally, has been proven in different studies. [1],[2],[15],[16],[17] In addition, in this study, serial measurements of hair count and terminal hair increase showed that increasing in total hair count and terminal hair in both therapeutic groups between the beginning and end of study was significant. Like other studies, the total hair in both groups, finasteride gel and tablet, demonstrated significant differences between first referral and 6 months after therapy ( P =0.000), this indicates the therapeutic efficacy of both drugs. [1],[10] The terminal hairs in finasteride gel group were always more than the finasteride tablet group, until third month of therapy. However, they were similar in both groups during the fourth month of treatment. At 5 th and 6 th months, the terminal hair counts were more in the group who were receiving tablets, thus explaining the efficacy of the tablet during therapeutic period. [1] The size of bald area in tablet and gel groups had significant decrease at fourth month, noting there was no change in gel group, which indicates the greater therapeutic effect of tablet than gel. Although, the total hair growth in both groups was significant during the fourth month, in the gel group, we did not find any decrease in the size of alopecia area and consequently the better appearance of person.

Over all, in this recent study, by comparing finasteride tablet and gel groups with each other, it was found that in second, third and fourth months of patients being referred, the therapeutic response to the tablet group was better than gel group, but in fifth and sixth months of treatment, the therapeutic response in both groups was the same.

In previous studies, the finasteride tablet efficacy began after third to sixth months of therapy and if the patient had no response after 12 to 24 months, continuation of usage probably did not appear to be effective. [2] In our study, there was no significant positive therapeutic response in both groups; one reason could be the duration of treatment that was only for 6 months, thus, if the duration of treatment was longer, the results could have indicated a better therapeutic effect.

Like other studies, these results show local finasteride gel, [5],[11],[12] has a considerable efficacy and if used for male alopecia patients, who experienced hair loss in recent years, it will be a good replacement of oral therapy, especially in those who worry about oral drug complications.

Finally, we suggest replication study of more samples, with longer period and assessment of patients' satisfaction after treatment.


Acknowledgement


This work was supported by a grant from the research council of the Mazandaran University of Medical Sciences. Also, the authors offer Dr. Khademloo and Ms. F.shokoohi their profound thanks because of their liberal cooperation.


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14. Roberts JL, Fiedler V, Imperato-McGinley J, Whiting D, Olsen E, Shupack J, et al . Clinical dose ranging studies with finasteride, a type 2 5alpha-reductase inhibitor, in men with male pattern hair loss. J Am Acad Dermatol 1999;41:555-63. Back to cited text no. 14 [PUBMED]
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Πολυ ενδιαφερον αποτελεσματα!!!
 

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akishellas3

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Ειναι πολλα για να διαβασουμε ,με λιγα λογια τι λεει? Αν ειναι οκ κ σε τζελ που την βρισκουμε ?
 

Παναγιωτης

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ενδιαφερον

μολις βρω λιγο χρονο θα προσπαθησω να μεταφρασω η να εξηγησω τι λεει το παραπανω

οπως επισης θα προστεθει στην κατηγορια studies

εν αναμονη λοιπον
 

vayero

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Οι απόψεις σας παιδιά; Βρήκε κανείς τέτοιο προϊόν, topical finasteride gel?
 

azyx

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To οτι το gel δουλευει σημαινει oti η φιναστεριδη δουλευει τοπικα... δεν ειναι απαραιτητο να βαζουμε γελ εμεις... νομιζω οποιοδηποτε διαλυμα που εχει φιναστεριδη διαλυμενη σε αιθανολη θα αποροφαται τοπικα... μπορει να μην απορροφαται 100% αλλα θα απορροφαται ενα μεγαλο ποσοστο...
 

vayero

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azyx είπε:
To οτι το gel δουλευει σημαινει oti η φιναστεριδη δουλευει τοπικα... δεν ειναι απαραιτητο να βαζουμε γελ εμεις... νομιζω οποιοδηποτε διαλυμα που εχει φιναστεριδη διαλυμενη σε αιθανολη θα αποροφαται τοπικα... μπορει να μην απορροφαται 100% αλλα θα απορροφαται ενα μεγαλο ποσοστο...

Άρα θα μπορούσαμε να πούμε ότι δουλεύει αρκετά καλά και η φιανστερίδη διαλυμένη σε μινοξιδίλη (ίσως όχι όσο σε χάπι, αλλά να προσεγγίζει αρκετά;); Azyx έχεις βρει στο εμπόριο gel finasteride?
 

Georgex6

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πολλοι απο εδω μεσα εχουν χρησιμοποιησει τοπικα κυριως μεσα στη μινοξιδιλη
παντως εμενα ο δερματολογος μου ειπε οτι δεν κανει πρεπει να τη παιρνεις απο το στομα :(
 

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Georgex6 είπε:
πολλοι απο εδω μεσα εχουν χρησιμοποιησει τοπικα κυριως μεσα στη μινοξιδιλη
παντως εμενα ο δερματολογος μου ειπε οτι δεν κανει πρεπει να τη παιρνεις απο το στομα :(

ναι ποσο καιρο την χρησιμοποιησανε ομως κενανεναν μηνα
και επειδη ειχαν τρομερο shed το κοψαν
συμπερασμα = ΜΗ σιγουρο

ναι κατσε να βγει η φινα σε τζελ να δεις ποσοι θα παρουν

θα παραξενευομουν αν ο δερματολογος σου ελεγε το αντιθετο
αν στο ξανα πει πες του και την δοσολογια που ειναι το 1/5
 

azyx

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vayero79 είπε:
Άρα θα μπορούσαμε να πούμε ότι δουλεύει αρκετά καλά και η φιανστερίδη διαλυμένη σε μινοξιδίλη (ίσως όχι όσο σε χάπι, αλλά να προσεγγίζει αρκετά;); Azyx έχεις βρει στο εμπόριο gel finasteride?
Φιλε εγω βαζω 3 χαπακια προσακαρ μεσα σε 60ml minoxidil:)
 

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Για την ποσότητα απόρησε κανένας; Το 1% δεν είναι 1mg, είναι πολύ, μα πάρα πολύ παραπάνω.
Γιατί 1% ποσότητας σε 60ml είναι περίπου 1gr ή αλλιώς 1000mg.

Από την παραπάνω ποσότητα, τα 50mg να απορροφηθούν :chinscratch ......
 

azyx

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Άκης είπε:
Για την ποσότητα απόρησε κανένας; Το 1% δεν είναι 1mg, είναι πολύ, μα πάρα πολύ παραπάνω.
Γιατί 1% ποσότητας σε 60ml είναι περίπου 1gr ή αλλιώς 1000mg.

Από την παραπάνω ποσότητα, τα 50mg να απορροφηθούν :chinscratch ......


Tα 15mg φιναστεριδη που βάζω εγω μέσα σε 60ml minoxidil= 0,025%
Αλλα σε καθε 1ml minoxidil υπάρχει 0,25mg finasteride
Εγω που χρειάζομαι 4ml minox τη μερα βαζω συνολικά 1mg finasteride στο κεφαλι μου
Τώρα το πόσο απορροφάται ποιος ξερει...
Φαντάζομαι αρκετη πάντως αφου στις προφυλάξεις λεει να μην ακουμπάνε τα χαπια οι γυναικες για παρενέργειες...
Το 1ml gel απο την αλλη εχει μεσα 10mg φιναστεριδη
Δηλαδη στα 60ml minox πρεπει να βαλουμε 600mg finasteride = 120 proscar για να εχουμε 1%
Παρα πολλα και ακριβα μου φαινονται....
Κατι αλλο πρεπει να παιζει με το 1%gel ...

1mL = 1cc = 1g = 1,000mg
 

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Να υποθέσω, επειδή δεν μας λέει πόση ποσότητα gel χρησιμοποιούν, ότι χρησιμοποίησαν 1ml (*) gel (φιναστερίδης 1 %) Χ 2 ημερησίως.
Αυτό μεταφράζεται σε 10 mg Χ 2 = 20 mg την ημέρα.
Εφόσον μας λέει ότι δεν παρουσιάστηκαν παρενέργειες αλλά και είχαμε κάποια θετικά αποτελέσματα, άρα θεωρητικά στο αίμα πέρασε μονό 1 mg την ημέρα.
Που σημαίνει ότι η απορρόφηση σε τοπική χρήση είναι 5 %.

(*) Το 1 ml είναι δική μου προσέγγιση για το λόγο ότι τόσο χρειάζεται να καλύψεις αξιοπρεπώς μια πάσχουσα περιοχή. Μικρότερη δόση < 1 ml δεν βλέπω να είναι λειτουργική.
 

durix

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ΛΟΙΠΟΝ ΣΥΝΑΓΩΝΙΣΤΕΣ ...νομιζω οτι μηπως εχουμε χασει λιγο το νοημα του τοπικου???

εξηγουμαι....

δε θελουμε την οργανικη καταποση της φινα (1mg/day) με το φοβο τον sides σωστα???
αρα κοιταμε αν η τοπικη της χρηση εχει αποτελεσματα συγκρισιμα σε σχεση με την οργανικη...

αν ειναι να χρησιμοποιω κατι τοπικα το οποιο εχει πολυ μεγαλη περιεκτικοτητα σε φινα και με την σχετικη αποροφηση που θα προκυψει απο την τοπικη χρηση περασει παλι στο αιμα μου η ιδια ποσοτητα (1mg) δεν εχει καμια απολυτως αξια....καλυτερα να την παρω οργανικα που ξερω και οτι περασε πραγματικα στο αιμα μου...


οποτε συγκριση αποτελεσματων με τοπικη χρηση σε σχεση με την οργανικη, μπορουν να γινουν οταν στην τελικη εχουμε πανω κατω τα ιδια θετικα αποτελεσματα αλλα η ουσια που περνα στο αιμα μας απο την τοπικη ειναι της ταξεως τουλαχιστον του 1/10 σε σχεση με την οργανικη χρηση....

ΑΚΗ - GEOFISH συμφωνω απολυτα!

αυτα και σορυ αν κουρασα....με συναδελφικους χαιρετισμους :laie:
 

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Εγω πάντως σκεφτομαι να δοκιμάσω Minoxidil 6% και Finasteride 0.1% solution. Aκουσα απο ενα γιατρό οτι μπορει να περιορισει maximum 40% την DHT στους θύλακες της τρίχας ενω το χάπι μόνο κατα 38%.
 

vayero

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afnman είπε:
Εγω πάντως σκεφτομαι να δοκιμάσω Minoxidil 6% και Finasteride 0.1% solution. Aκουσα απο ενα γιατρό οτι μπορει να περιορισει maximum 40% την DHT στους θύλακες της τρίχας ενω το χάπι μόνο κατα 38%.

Αυτό τον ενδοιασμό είχα (και έχω) και σκέφτομαι κι εγώ να πάρω αυτό ή το χάπι; Αν οι διαφορές είναι ουσιαστικά αμελητέες, νομίζω ότι θα ήταν προτιμότερο το τοπικό. Έχω μπερδευτεί ρε παιδιά, άλλοι λένε χάπι, άλλοι ότι και το τοπικό είναι ίδιο. Άσε που έχω και τον χρόνο να με πιέζει, αφού πρέπει να καταλήξω σε κάτι προτού φύγω εξωτερικό σε 15 μέρες.
 

azyx

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afnman είπε:
Εγω πάντως σκεφτομαι να δοκιμάσω Minoxidil 6% και Finasteride 0.1% solution. Aκουσα απο ενα γιατρό οτι μπορει να περιορισει maximum 40% την DHT στους θύλακες της τρίχας ενω το χάπι μόνο κατα 38%.

Έχεις βρει καμιά έρευνα? Ακούγετε πολύ καλό....
Και το 0.1% ειναι 12 proscar σε 60ml μινοξ... δεν βγαίνει και πολύ ακριβά!
 

Άκης

Administrator
Απ: Topical Finasteride gel VS tablet Finasteride

afnman είπε:
Εγω πάντως σκεφτομαι να δοκιμάσω Minoxidil 6% και Finasteride 0.1% solution. Aκουσα απο ενα γιατρό οτι μπορει να περιορισει maximum 40% την DHT στους θύλακες της τρίχας ενω το χάπι μόνο κατα 38%.

Δεν νομίζω να συμβαίνει αυτό. Καταρχάς για να λειτουργήσει η φινα τοπικά, θα πρέπει να απορροφηθεί στο αίμα. Αν απορροφηθεί το 1mg, τότε θα μειωθεί όσο μειώνεται και με την κατάποση.

Δεν υπάρχει ακόμη έρευνα που να δείχνει την φινα να περιορίζει τοπικά σε μικρές ποσότητες (όχι την μισή παραγωγή της Merck που έχει η παραπάνω έρευνα), ώστε να είναι safe.
Γιατί αν βάζεις 10mg τοπικά και σου απορροφάτε το 1 (λέμε υποθετικά), θα έχεις τα sides που θα είχες με κατάποση.
Άρα, ερωτώ, γιατί να μην πάρεις 0.5mg που είναι καραsafe? :chinscratch
 

vayero

Member
Απ: Topical Finasteride gel VS tablet Finasteride

Άκης είπε:
[quote author=afnman link=topic=1025.msg18215#msg18215 date=1253477274]
Εγω πάντως σκεφτομαι να δοκιμάσω Minoxidil 6% και Finasteride 0.1% solution. Aκουσα απο ενα γιατρό οτι μπορει να περιορισει maximum 40% την DHT στους θύλακες της τρίχας ενω το χάπι μόνο κατα 38%.

Δεν νομίζω να συμβαίνει αυτό. Καταρχάς για να λειτουργήσει η φινα τοπικά, θα πρέπει να απορροφηθεί στο αίμα. Αν απορροφηθεί το 1mg, τότε θα μειωθεί όσο μειώνεται και με την κατάποση.

Δεν υπάρχει ακόμη έρευνα που να δείχνει την φινα να περιορίζει τοπικά σε μικρές ποσότητες (όχι την μισή παραγωγή της Merck που έχει η παραπάνω έρευνα), ώστε να είναι safe.
Γιατί αν βάζεις 10mg τοπικά και σου απορροφάτε το 1 (λέμε υποθετικά), θα έχεις τα sides που θα είχες με κατάποση.
Άρα, ερωτώ, γιατί να μην πάρεις 0.5mg που είναι καραsafe? :chinscratch
[/quote]

Επειδή είμαι στο δίλημμα αυτό, αν την χρησιμοποιήσω τελικά, θα με ωφελήσει; Γιατί φοβάμαι ότι πλέον οι λιγοστές τρίχες που έχω είναι μεταμοσχευμένες και αν συμπεριλάβουμε ότι η 1η μεταμόσχευση έγινε το 2004, από τότε ότι έφυγε λογικά νέκρωσε ο θύλακας; Αν δεις τις φωτο θα καταλάβεις και την έκταση του προβλήματος.
 
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